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Aliath Sunstrike
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Posted - 2014.05.17 17:48:00 -
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The problem with rigging these is not the long term, but the short term Fozzie.
What was fine before is now going to cost me a few billion extra for T2 capital rigs. Stealth ISK Sink much?
I like the changes again, but what about a credit or free rigs or something to compensate. WTF?
Edit: Where is my down vote / take a like away button? |
Aliath Sunstrike
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Posted - 2014.05.17 17:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Because people asked for this nerf. We tried to tell them that it was going to be a nerf, but they wanted it anyway because the prospect of more m-¦ suppressed all rational thought. Poke InTheEye wrote:This is really dumb. These changes seem like they are being made just for the sake of change. Seriously, what's the point here? The point here is to give people something they've been asking for for a very long time. They asked for something dumb, so they got something dumb. Go figure.
And my question to Fozzie is....why make it a nerf!? Can't this be a "power creep" buff all across the board and just ADD rigs. Why does it have to be #$@#@ $ painful. |
Aliath Sunstrike
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Aliath Sunstrike wrote:And my question to Fozzie is....why make it a nerf!? Can't this be a "power creep" buff all across the board and just ADD rigs. Why does it have to be #$@#@ $ painful. Because it wouldn't be GÇ£power creepGÇ¥ GÇö it would be a ridiculously overpowered mega-buff. Counter-balancing the potential bonuses from rigs with nerfs to ensure that the end results were not insane was inevitable. GǪoh, and power creep itself is bad, especially for a ship class that didn't particularly need any buffs.
Yes Tippia - queen of forum warrioring...I get that.
Anyone with a moderate view of life though would get my point darling. It is to say just a moderate buff to current to balance out the cost of rigs. I didn't say it had to be HUGE. |
Aliath Sunstrike
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Aliath Sunstrike wrote:Anyone with a moderate view of life though would get my point darling. It is to say just a moderate buff to current to balance out the cost of rigs. I didn't say it had to be HUGE. GǪexcept that it's the rigs themselves that make it huge. Unless you want to nerf all capital rigs, or introduce a completely new rig category, the freighters would have to be nerfed to accommodate the potential rig bonuses. And that's part of the point: it would have to accommodate all of those potential bonuses GÇö after all, all eventualities will have to be balanced GÇö and the rigs would only be able to counteract one of the nerfs. So no matter how much you restrict the bonuses, be it by inventing new rigs or by limiting the number of rigs, or by nerfing the rigs, or by limiting which rigs can be fitted, the ship nerf to compensate will have to be the worst imaginable for every single stat and the sum total of those nerfs will always end up as a net nerf for the final fitted ship as a whole. This is hardly rocket science, and therefore it is not even remotely surprising that we get this kind of change: because anything else would make them silly overpowered and completely imbalanced.
OMG you are dense.
I am not talking about changing rigs...just decreasing the nerf a tad on the ships. JEBUS CRIST! |
Aliath Sunstrike
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:01:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Aliath Sunstrike wrote:Tippia wrote:Aliath Sunstrike wrote:Anyone with a moderate view of life though would get my point darling. It is to say just a moderate buff to current to balance out the cost of rigs. I didn't say it had to be HUGE. GǪexcept that it's the rigs themselves that make it huge. Unless you want to nerf all capital rigs, or introduce a completely new rig category, the freighters would have to be nerfed to accommodate the potential rig bonuses. And that's part of the point: it would have to accommodate all of those potential bonuses GÇö after all, all eventualities will have to be balanced GÇö and the rigs would only be able to counteract one of the nerfs. So no matter how much you restrict the bonuses, be it by inventing new rigs or by limiting the number of rigs, or by nerfing the rigs, or by limiting which rigs can be fitted, the ship nerf to compensate will have to be the worst imaginable for every single stat and the sum total of those nerfs will always end up as a net nerf for the final fitted ship as a whole. This is hardly rocket science, and therefore it is not even remotely surprising that we get this kind of change: because anything else would make them silly overpowered and completely imbalanced. OMG you are dense. I am not talking about changing rigs...just decreasing the nerf a tad on the ships. JEBUS CRIST! Cant do that, the nerfs are needed to keep them balanced. (Aside from that agility nerf) I spent years telling people this is what would happen and now we all get to suffer together.
Yes you can. Just take the numbers Fozzie is throwing out and decrease the nerf a tad. Make it less painful. Do I need to start pulling numbers here>? |
Aliath Sunstrike
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:07:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Aliath Sunstrike wrote:Yes you can. Just take the numbers Fozzie is throwing out and decrease the nerf a tad. Make it less painful. Do I need to start pulling numbers here>? pull out all the numbers you want, but they are what they are in order to keep things balanced when people got the rig slots they so desperately desired.
Last post, to quote a great movie, "Did IQ's just drop slightly while I was away?"
Un-Nerf the proposed capacity nerf to where you don't need T2 Rigs on JF's to match capacity, only T1's. Then Fozzie can look at ihubs and whatever may be small enough to fit in JF's and adjust their packaged size if that is the concern. In the mean time you get rigs, but owners don't ***** about the nerf and it is a tad power creep. And by POWER CREEP I MEAN, some more cargo space, some more HPs, etc etc. It will not ruin the game people. EVERYONE wins / loses a tad.
We get rigs, but we get a slight buff to compensate. I think people are complaining in this forum because it is just too much on one side. Fozzie is looking for feedback. Provide it. If I need to start pulling numbers I will because I know DEVs love that stuff but I have a RL and I am not going to sit here explaining common sense to people that can't think their way out of a paper bag.
FLAME ON. FIN. |
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